David Wolfe: raw food/ Interview by Black Dog Bone
David Wolfe: raw food/ Interview by Black Dog Bone
In the last couple of years it looks like the awareness of raw food, organic food and vegetarianism has grown incredibly fast. Do you see that?
It’s exploding now. The interest in raw food is incredible now. It’s a huge difference. I feel like you, Thor, and everybody at Nature’s First Law played a major role in this change. I’ve been involved in promoting live food for 15 years. I have to believe that after 15 years of nonstop promotions—I’ve done every kind of venue, every event you could imagine. From YMCA’s to all Black Christian churches in Chicago to upper Westside New York City, all across Canada, Europe, from national TV to the streets. I think it’s having some effect.
Raw food—we say it’s a “de-fearing agent”. It gets the fear out of you. People are scared of living and scared of dying. They’re scared of being rejected, they’re scared of their girlfriend, scared of their boyfriend. They’re scared of losing their job, scared of failure. They’re scared of everything. When you get on raw food you’re not in fear anymore. You get out of fear and that is so powerful!
I can’t think of anybody as driven to spread the word of the importance of eating vegetarian raw food as you.
It’s my mission. When you find your mission in life—what creates the problems in the world? It’s that people aren’t doin what they wanna be doin. Once you do what you wanna be doin every day and you only do that, then everything works beautifully. What I want to be doin in the world is promoting raw food because it empowers each individual against the tyranny of the state. Against the crap that most people have to deal with day to day, all the stress and garbage that gets thrown on top of us. It’s like a folk technology. It doesn’t matter how wealthy you are or how poor you are. It doesn’t matter where you come from, doesn’t matter your background. Everybody can eat raw food. Everybody can take power over their own bodies. That’s what I love about the message.
I was so grateful when I found the book, “Nature’s First Law”. It was a celebration for me. When I eat raw food every day, I remember how I learned about raw food and I thank you and Nature’s First Law. I’m sure there are millions of people who feel this way and send good vibrations to you.
It’s funny you should say that. Before I had written that book or any book I was just goin through my life like everybody else does. But once those books went out there I could feel the effects of what you’re saying. Who knows what is the mechanism of that or how you can explain how you feel that, but I feel it and I tell you, it drives me.
I see how that energy drives certain people, giving energy for them to do what they do.
The effect of it is this: the more people that are thinking about live food and sending me that vibration, the more dedicated and the harder I work. It’s completely captured my whole life. It’s all I do every day, all day long, all the time. I got up this morning at 7 am and I’ve been going nonstop. It’s now 8:15 pm and I’m doin this interview. And I’m having more fun now than I was this morning!
It’s inevitable. If you look at the problems in civilization, they’re so massive that they’re unsolvable. What will eventually happen—I don’t know if it’ll be 50 years, 100 years, 1 year, whatever—this civilization will collapse. All we can do is continue to spread the knowledge so that in that moment when things fall apart some people will know how to survive. Not only survive but thrive, have a good time. I foresee a time when there will be change and it will be for the better. We’ll go back to living like tribal people. Eventually the earth will clean itself out and life will go on.
This interview is important to me personally. After I found out about raw food my whole life changed. The last few years I was living in Sri Lanka; I was planting fruit trees. I want to thank you for that.
Let me ask you this: do you feel that you’re so connected to those trees and those plants that it’s one of the most powerful spiritual experiences of your life? Is that what you’re feeling?
It’s hard to explain what I feel. You start to experience how we originally lived. You become part of the forest. You start living like primitive people. You go back to a time before civilization. It’s exciting.
Exactly. It’s hard to explain. It’s almost like an inspiration pours through you. I recently spent a couple of weeks in Hawaii planting cacao trees. I literally spent two hours planting 8 cacao trees. That’s how much care I put into each one. It was such an experience. I feel like that’s what we need to give kids. We need to give kids those kinds of experiences. That’s what’s going to create a future where we have food in abundance for everybody. We just gotta get back to basics.
A very good description of the difference between the raw food world and the other world, which is the cooked food world. The cooked food world is very disenchanted. People aren’t happy. They don’t experience any magic. They’re bored. There’s no future, there’s no hope. But raw food is an enchanted world where you see magic in the eyes of a deer. You see magic everywhere around you. In spite of all the pollution and all the garbage, you see it everywhere. You tune into it and you’re forever inspired. You’re never lonely and you feel great always.
When I’m in the rainforest I realized how much food there is on this earth. I can live for a whole month off of the wild greens and fruits and nuts that grow there. You don’t need any money.
Isn’t that great?! You don’t need anything else. I travel the world and sometimes I have ten dollars in my pocket. I don’t need anything! It’s crazy.
Something else you’ve helped introduce and build awareness around is cacao. Everybody knew chocolate, but not as a healthy food. After you started talking about the benefits of cacao and with the success of your book “Naked Chocolate” we’ve seen a big movement come up around cacao. It’s everywhere now.
What happened is this plant, the cacao tree, had really been enslaved. Nobody know what it was, where it came from, how to grow it, how to make their own chocolate from the tree itself. All that knowledge had been buried. When I was in Hawaii a number of years ago I ate a raw cacao bean for the first time ever and the whole thing downloaded onto me. The whole truth about chocolate, where it comes from, what it’s all about. Then I began to do all the research on it, the scientific research, the history, the legends, the mythology. I literally went out and did hundreds of lectures a year on chocolate and cacao. I have to believe that that had a huge effect on popularizing chocolate now and the word “cacao” and what’s happening in Hawaii now is it’s a huge thing for the whole state. The state is now telling all the farmers to grow cacao.
Our science has turned the entire planet into a trash heap. It’s a nightmare. It’s not science at all, it’s some kind of distortion.
It’s amazing to see the effect your work has had.
This is the power. Here’s what it comes down to. What changes the world is people who are dedicated to what they’re doing. For me it’s all about my mission. I don’t care if the world blows up tomorrow. I’m doing my mission on this earth. Whether you make money or you don’t make money, whether you raise a family or don’t raise a family; if you have your mission supporting you, you have abundance.
There’s nothing richer than that.
It’s a grace. If you have that you don’t need any more riches than that. You have the greatest abundance ever and you never have to worry about anything. I know my job in the world and I can continue to do my job. I don’t care if there’s no more planet left, I can carry on. If the world blows up I’ll still be telling people to eat raw food.
The earth is essentially an immortal. Humans will not be able to kill the earth. And it’s likely that we will come back here when this place is a paradise because for whatever reason we incarnated into this time. It’s a very very interesting time in the history of the world. If we continue to do our work in this time, maybe we’ll be able to come back here to enjoy this place when it has returned to a paradise again.
Something I’ve heard you talk about is how changing your diet actually changes your consciousness.
That’s right. And you know that, Black Dog. You’ve been there. Isn’t that amazing? That’s an incredible discovery!
People have lost their consciousness. Most people’s level of awareness is below zero.
The world is crazy. And it’s crazy because people eat crazy food. If you have to put it onto one cause, that’s the cause. As surprising as it is, it’s completely obvious.
That’s why I say people have lost their consciousness. Something so obvious, they just can’t see. You feel like doctors and scientists should be able to see this.
What in the world! You know, I’ve had a cracked tooth in the back of my mouth since I was 14 years old. But I decided as a young kid I can’t stand dentists, I’m never goin to a dentist again. Too much pain, it’s a waste of money, forget it. I have lived with this cracked tooth all my life. Every dentist who looked at it said you have to pull it out, do this or that. I’ve done nothing and my tooth is fine. It’s perfect. It’s been workin fine for 25 years.
Our bodies can heal itself. We don’t see the power within ourselves. I know so many people who keep getting sick over and over. I haven’t gotten sick in years. I feel like I felt when I was eighteen, ever since I started eating raw food. I feel everybody they would be able to see, but they just can’t.
The programming is overwhelming. What I like about what you do is you speak to people who are not in the program. They’re like, screw the program. When you get to that point where you don’t care about the program, that empowers you to actually find out what’s true and what’s not. One thing I love about raw food is it gives you back you vitality, your vigor, your lust for life. It gives you longevity, it gives you power, it gives you connection to the earth. There’s nothing else like that. That’s why I feel so fortunate. This is my message. If this is the message I get to give the world it’s crazy! How could I get this job? This is the best job ever!
The programming is overwhelming. What I like about what you do is you speak to people who are not in the program. They’re like, screw the program. When you get to that point where you don’t care about the program, that empowers you to actually find out what’s true and what’s not. One thing I love about raw food is it gives you back you vitality, your vigor, your lust for life. It gives you longevity, it gives you power, it gives you connection to the earth. There’s nothing else like that. That’s why I feel so fortunate. This is my message. If this is the message I get to give the world it’s crazy! How could I get this job? This is the best job ever!
Physically I feel like steel, also flowing like water, untouchable. It’s the way everybody should feel and could feel.
You feel physically invincible. That’s such an important thing. People are guzzling all this protein crap trying to get strong. It’s ridiculous. There’s no gorillas eating protein. Chimpanzees aren’t eating protein powders. They eat raw leaves and fruits all day long.
Look at elephants, the biggest, strongest animal there is, and they live a long time. All they eat is raw green leaves.
Just leaves. It’s no secret. We’re at a point where a crisis is upon the earth. We’re at a turning point. What’s gonna happen is some of us are gonna get on the program and make it and survive. And some will not. See, you are so empowered right now. You can go into the jungle and live on wild food and you’d never have to worry about anything.
After I started eating raw and wild foods, all the confusion I felt left me. I started getting into other things like nature, primitive ways of living, and coming into mystical understanding. I started realizing what a nightmare civilization is.
It doesn’t matter how wealthy you are or how poor you are. It doesn’t matter where you come from, doesn’t matter your background. Everybody can eat raw food. Everybody can take power over their own bodies. That’s what I love about the message.
What you’re saying is profound. It’s a major deal. It means that what we’ve eaten our whole lives, all that garbage and the junk food, has actually closed our consciousness. It has also separated us from the mystical experiences of day to day living. That’s why people end up on drugs and alcohol, because they’re trying to get into that state of being in that mystical high, that buzz. You get that naturally bein on raw food. You feel high all the time. I just don’t know anything that’s like that in the world.
Once I opened the door to raw vegan food so many other doors started opening. I really found myself, the original me, before I got programmed by civilization. Raw food really cleaned me mentally and physically. That’s well said and I’m glad you’re saying that. I need to hear that more often. Sometimes I’m out in the world dealing with people and they don’t get it.
Exactly. You’re not satisfied because there’s nothing in the food. It’s all empty. You keep eating thinking it will satisfy you, then you start gaining weight and you wonder what’s happening. Raw food immediately and instantly returns you to your ideal weight. Without any trouble, without effort, without counting calories or adding protein. It puts your in balance and at your ideal weight. That’s incredible. What if you fed gorillas coffee and donuts every day? What if deer boiled their grass before eating it? No animal in nature cooks their food. Why should humans?
You have to really jump into it 100%.
It’s like a spiritual thing. Once I found out about raw food I had no choice but to eat only raw food. There is no choice in my body. My body won’t allow anything else in. You’re the same way. Your body had gone through such a metamorphosis, you’re so transformed that there’s no other option.
A lot of people feel that humans have advanced by cooking food, doing agriculture, building civilizations. I think it’s time to admit that we’ve taken a wrong road.
I totally agree with you. Our science has turned the entire planet into a trash heap. It’s a nightmare. It’s not science at all, it’s some kind of distortion.
You feel physically invincible. That’s such an important thing. People are guzzling all this protein crap trying to get strong. It’s ridiculous. There’s no gorillas eating protein. Chimpanzees aren’t eating protein powders. They eat raw leaves and fruits all day long.
It’s the product of a million ego trips, trying to be the first to discover something new which is more garbage, and force it on the people.
I know exactly what you’re saying. One time a friend and I were tearing apart an old shed. It had all kinds of toxic crap in it made by Dow Chemical Company and all this garbage. This was in a sacred area where a spring’s coming out of the ground, and here’s this toxic waste there. We sat there and he said, “This is the craziest thing imaginable, what’s going on on earth. You could take the sacred beautiful places in the world and put the most toxic chemicals possible like Styrofoam all over it.” What we’re dealing with is people who are conscious of the whole picture. We’re dealing with complete and total insanity.
The more you think about it the more you realize that we have really lost our connection to existence. You want to make change, but you don’t want to fight people all day. Sometimes you just hit a point where you don’t know what to do.
That’s the whole thing. For me personally I just continue to preach the good word. I’m fortunate to have that mission. I can go out there and do that. Beyond that the only thing you can really do is transform yourself.
The effect of it is this: the more people that are thinking about live food and sending me that vibration, the more dedicated and the harder I work. It’s completely captured my whole life. It’s all I do every day, all day long, all the time. I got up this morning at 7 am and I’ve been going nonstop. It’s now 8:15 pm and I’m doing this interview. And I’m having more fun now than I was this morning!
You at least have power over yourself. Each person has to decide if they want to change their own lives. That’s it. Ultimately you can’t convince anybody of anything. Your example is what will convince them or not. They have to decide for themselves. My uncle resisted me for years. I stopped talking to him about food a dozen years ago. He’s in the hospital tonight. He’s having a blood transfusion and all kinds of stuff. That is the craziest chemistry experiment ever and he’s allowing that on his sacred temple—his body. I don’t want any doctor touching my body ever.
I’m running from all doctors too. When I just look at a hospital I feel sick.
I’ve come to a point where I can’t even look at hospitals anymore. I don’t even look at it.
When I was in Sri Lanka I was near a remote village in the mountains. All the villagers are super healthy. Most of them live a long life and go to 100 or more. It’s not like they’re old and sick, they’re very healthy and able to do whatever they need to do. The people there are naturally vegetarian. Mainly they eat the foods that grow there in the rainforest, and those are all what you would call superfoods. It’s not a conscious effort, it’s just the way they live.
The world is crazy. And it’s crazy because people eat crazy food. If you have to put it onto one cause, that’s the cause. As surprising as it is, it’s completely obvious
It’s subconscious. They do it traditionally. That’s the way all people lived at one time, eating natural superfoods. I go to Hawaii a lot and a big one is noni. It’s a small green fruit with bumps on it. It’s originally from Polynesia. Actually it’s originally from Hawaii according to the legend. It was spread all through the Pacific Islands, and now it grows in Mexico, Costa Rica and all through the tropical areas of the world.
You’ve gotta get some noni trees. Fresh noni when it gets real ripe, it’s mushy kind of like when an avocado is ripe. You can juice it by putting it through a strainer or you can just blend it and then strain it. If you live on that food, I swear to god I feel like superman. I’ve never felt so good in my life as when I’m on noni. You eat it raw, ripe off the tree.
I saw so many fruits in Mexico that aren’t in Sri Lanka. Like mamey. But it’s hard to bring seeds when you travel, they’re so strict.
You should go to Hawaii and fly directly into Sri Lanka with the seeds. Noni is always in season, so you could go anytime and get noni. Mamey sapote are probably in season now. Another good one is the anona family—soursop, cherimoya—all those fruits are amazing. We take soursop and strain it through a mesh bag, then chill it and serve it as an evening drink. It’s so good! People have no idea of how good food can be.
The programming is overwhelming. What I like about what you do is you speak to people who are not in the program. They’re like, screw the program. When you get to that point where you don’t care about the program, that empowers you to actually find out what’s true and what’s not. One thing I love about raw food is it gives you back you vitality, your vigor, your lust for life. It gives you longevity, it gives you power, it gives you connection to the earth. There’s nothing else like that. That’s why I feel so fortunate. This is my message. If this is the message I get to give the world it’s crazy! How could I get this job? This is the best job ever!
Once you start eating raw food, like the raw desserts, when you go back and eat cooked desserts they taste like cardboard and sugar.
It’s true, and it will drive you because you realize that you can’t go back to eating that stuff anymore. I’ve been eating this way for 15 years, so you can imagine where I’m at with it. It’s hard for me to imagine that people actually think that cooked food really tastes good. To me it tastes like rancid oil and a bunch of sugar or salt. But that’s where people are so we have to meet them where they are and give them hope. Let them know, hey your life doesn’t have to be this crap. You can get out of this. You could move to the jungle and live the most abundant life for free! It’s true. I’ve tried it and it’s easy. It works.
It’s a grace, Black Dog. When you find out this information, just even knowing that it exists, is like the best news ever.
Just leaves. It’s no secret. We’re at a point where a crisis is upon the earth. We’re at a turning point. What’s gonna happen is some of us are gonna get on the program and make it and survive. And some will not. See, you are so empowered right now. You can go into the jungle and live on wild food and you’d never have to worry about anything.
To know that you don’t have to work a 9 to 5 job. You can just walk through the jungle, your mind is clear, your body is clean. What more could you want?
You’re free, totally free.
When I started learning about tribal people I noticed that they call primitive people “hunter and gatherers”, but what I learned was that humans were not hunters until recently. We were primarily foragers. Hunting came later.
I’m completely in agreement with you. The whole hunting thing really happened when we got out of balance. Indigenous cultures teach us an enormous amount about herbalism and about how to gather food and about how to survive. You can automatically come into tune with that. When your system is clean you automatically know how to survive. That’s what raw food gives you. It’s crazy. You know how to feed yourself. You know how much you need and when. All of that comes clear to you after a year or two of being on raw food.
It’s a major deal. It means that what we’ve eaten our whole lives, all that garbage and the junk food, has actually closed our consciousness. But it’s also separated us from the mystical experiences of day to day living. That’s why people end up on drugs and alcohol, because they’re trying to get into that state of being in that mystical high, that buzz. You get that naturally being on raw food. You feel high all the time. I just don’t know anything that’s like that in the world.
This great information has been hidden from us so we can’t be free. Like doctors and medicine are completely unnecessary if you eat right and if you know how to find the right herbal plants in the forest. In the past, and now, people all over the world know how to cure their ailments just by picking certain roots and herbs and using them. Everything you need is there for free, but a wall has been put between us and that knowledge.
Everything that we need to live is available for free. It has to be, naturally. But we are in a very disturbed state of consciousness. Our whole civilization is in a very disturbed state. What’s happening is people want to break free out of it, but they don’t know how. When you have raw food on your side you know how because it will start to open up all the other doors. You become completely independent.
The mystics of the world tell us about cleaning our minds. Eating raw food is the other side where you clean your whole body. Empty your body of all that garbage.
That’s something we haven’t touched on yet, which is the detoxification. Getting all that old crap out of your body, all the residue from the bad food you’ve eaten all your life. It’s chemicals, toxins, it’s not even food but chemicals. Raw food can be a very important tool to help you get in touch with your intuition on how to clean your body of all the garbage. It’s gonna guide you for example into yoga, which teaches you how to squeeze out, like a sponge, all the dirty water. It’s gonna guide you to learn how to breath properly and get into an understanding that if you just get good quality air that helps to detoxify you. It causes an aversion, an inability to be around plastic bottles. It becomes very difficult to deal with plastic at all because you realize how toxic it is. You also gain an understanding about how to strategically get the crap out of you. For example, I’m a big believer in eating clay because all animals eat clay. You think, “What the hell would I eat clay for?” But clay has been eaten by all indigenous people. Clay is found on the shelf in every Rite Aid and Save-On Drugs. It’s in Pepto-Bismal. It’s in Kaopectate. It’s what soothes people’s stomachs. But you don’t have to eat that garbage with all the chemicals with the clay. You can just eat the clay itself. What you find out is that you can eat the earth. What it does for you is it detoxifies you of pesticides. Over a period of time, if you follow that mystical path your intuition will tell you this. If you spray a mouse with pesticides they’ll immediately eat dirt. It pulls the poison out, it has a strong pulling power.
This was in a sacred area where a spring’s coming out of the ground, and here’s this toxic waste there. We sat there and he said, “This is the craziest thing imaginable, what’s going on on earth. You could take the sacred beautiful places in the world and put the most toxic chemicals possible like Styrofoam all over it.” What we’re dealing with is people who are conscious of the whole picture. We’re dealing with complete and total insanity.
When you say clay do you mean just eating dirt?
No, not just any dirt. It’s specifically clay. What you do is you look for where a river is cutting through a valley and where it has exposed layers of the earth. You know how you see the earth in layers? Many of those layers are usually clay. It’s thick, it’s pink in color. It’s hard to describe, but I could show you in any ecosystem how to get it. Once you see it then you get it. It’s in your memory. We all have a memory of this, we just forgot it. But if you start paying attention to it you will discover it. You’ll remember. Clay is super important in the jungle because it cleans parasites out; it helps to remove the residues of all the stuff we grew up on. It neutralizes our digestive track so we don’t have any indigestion ever. You’ll never have a stomach ache. And another thing is water. Where do you get your water? Spring water. Going actually to the source where the water comes out of the ground in the mountains. Drink that water. That is as good of a drug as anything on earth. You drink that and you feel invincible. It’s a feeling you can’t even describe. People think that water in a plastic bottle is the same as spring water in the mountains. It couldn’t be more different. What do people want in life? They want to have fun, they want to enjoy their life, they don’t want to be sick. Raw food gives you all of that.
That’s what everybody is looking for, but they’re not finding it. It’s not in alcohol or drugs, it’s not in fast food. They don’t get it so they keep eating more and more, drinking more, doing more drugs, but you still feel empty. You eat and you don’t feel satisfied. You still feel hungry, so you eat more of the same garbage.
Exactly. You’re not satisfied because there’s nothing in the food. It’s all empty. You keep eating thinking it will satisfy you, then you start gaining weight and you wonder what’s happening. Raw food immediately and instantly returns you to your ideal weight. Without any trouble, without effort, without counting calories or adding protein. It puts you in balance and at your ideal weight. That’s incredible. What if you fed gorillas coffee and donuts every day? What if deer boiled their grass before eating it? No animal in nature cooks their food. Why should humans?
Ultimately you can’t convince anybody of anything. Your example is what will convince them or not. They have to decide for themselves. My uncle resisted me for years. I stopped talking to him about food a dozen years ago. He’s in the hospital tonight. He’s having a blood transfusion and all kinds of stuff. That is the craziest chemistry experiment ever and he’s allowing that on his sacred temple—his body. I don’t want any doctor touching my body ever.
If you look into the eyes of any wild animal, they’re so pure, you start seeing the truth. Animals are mystical beings.
Isn’t that true! I had an interesting interaction tonight. I was outside, I was on a phone call walkin around with my cell phone. Just walkin through the night just outside my office, I’m right next to the San Diego River here in San Diego and it’s very mystical down here. I love it here. I can get the sun when it rises in the morning and when it sets at night. And there was a baby rabbit, very small, watching me. It must have been a week old. I looked at that rabbit and it was just an awesome experience. Just a simple rabbit—so powerful!
There’s magic in that. Miracles keep happening around us all day, we just can’t see it.
Big time. A very good description of the difference between the raw food world and the other world, which is the cooked food world. The cooked food world is very disenchanted. People aren’t happy. They don’t experience any magic. They’re bored. There’s no future, there’s no hope. But raw food is an enchanted world where you see magic in the eyes of a deer. You see magic everywhere around you. In spite of all the pollution and all the garbage, you see it everywhere. You tune into it and you’re forever inspired. You’re never lonely and you feel great always.
Raw food opens doors and doors keep opening. Every day it leads you more into the spirits, into nature, the authentic.
I know exactly what you’re saying. In the old raw food books written 50 years ago or 100 years ago, the people who wrote those books it’s very interesting what happened to them. They had been raw foodists for years and years, and what happens after 20-30 years is you start having actual metaphysical abilities. Like you can read people’s minds. Synchronicities that are beyond description occur. Enormously valuable downloads of knowledge hit you at random times. It can take somebody who’s a zero and turn them into a superhero.
Everything that we need to live is available for free. It has to be, naturally. But we are in a very disturbed state of consciousness. Our whole civilization is in a very disturbed state. What’s happening is people want to break free out of it, but they don’t know how. When you have raw food on your side you know how because it will start to open up all the other doors. You become completely independent.
I experience that all the time. I’ll think of somebody and a second later they call. Or I think I need to tell somebody something and they suddenly think of that same thing and start talking about it. Isn’t that amazing? And it always surprises you, every time. That’s what makes life worth living,
synchronicities. Synchronicities are like an uncertainty that we need in our life. If things appear too certain then we end up with a situation like we have in our civilizations right now, where we think we’ve got everything figured out. We think everything’s perfect, in order, in its little box. People freak out, they can’t handle it because it’s too controlled. When you get that synchronicity happening in your life it brings back the magic. The inspiration, the excitement! You want to keep living. You want to be here.
I always tell people that I’m going to live for at least 150 years. That’s how I feel. And I have no fear. I walk through the jungle morning or night, where wild animals and deadly poisonous snakes live. I’m not worried. When you feel one with existence you don’t feel threatened by snakes or any natural forces.
Exactly. Raw food—we say it’s a “de-fearing agent”. It gets the fear out of you. People are scared of living and scared of dying. They’re scared of being rejected, they’re scared of their girlfriend, scared of their boyfriend. They’re scared of losing their job, scared of failure. They’re scared of everything. When you get on raw food you’re not in fear anymore. You get out of fear and that is so powerful!
Detoxification. Getting all that old crap out of your body, all the residue from the bad food you’ve eaten all your life. It’s chemicals, toxins, it’s not even food but chemicals. Raw food can be a very important tool to help you get in touch with your intuition on how to clean your body of all the garbage. It’s gonna guide you for example into yoga, which teaches you how to squeeze out, like a sponge, all the dirty water. It’s gonna guide you to learn how to breath properly and get into an understanding that if you just get good quality air that helps to detoxify you. It causes an aversion, an inability to be around plastic bottles. It becomes very difficult to deal with plastic at all because you realize how toxic it is. You also gain an understanding about how to strategically get the crap out of you.
Sometimes when you feel this power you want to share it with other people, but they don’t always want to hear about it. Do you come across that?
Totally. All the time. You know what I end up doing? I end up planting trees. I start stacking stones in the forest behind my house. I like doing things in nature. When I don’t know what to do with my energy I just go out into the forest and figure it out.
You still live in San Diego?
I’m here in San Diego because my office is here for Sunfood.com. We’ve been here all along, and I’ve been here since I was a kid. But I didn’t buy a house here. I bought a house in Canada. It’s way in the far north, because it’s all forest. I’m living in pure wilderness forest. There’s nobody around. When you’re in there in the summer when all those trees are fully active it’s a state of euphoria and ecstasy when I walk through the forest. It’s heaven. Indescribable!
You changed the name of the company from Nature’s First Law to Sunfood Nutrition. Why is that. Thor is not there anymore?
Thor is not here anymore. He moved up to Idaho. He lives with his family in the forest up there. You know how it is. When you go deep into raw food you don’t feel like running a business anymore.
For example, I’m a big believer in eating clay because all animals eat clay. You think, “What the hell would I eat clay for?” But clay has been eaten by all indigenous people. Clay is found on the shelf in every Rite Aid and Save-On Drugs. It’s in Pepto-Bismal. It’s in Kaopectate. It’s what soothes people’s stomachs. But you don’t have to eat that garbage with all the chemicals with the clay. You can just eat the clay itself. What you find out is that you can eat the earth. What it does for you is it detoxifies you of pesticides. Over a period of time, if you follow that mystical path your intuition will tell you this. If you spray a mouse with pesticides they’ll immediately eat dirt. It pulls the poison out, it has a strong pulling power.
It’s hard, I know. You just want to go to the forest and disappear. I wonder how you keep doing it.
The only reason I can do it is because I love raw food so much and I love the message of raw food so much. Even though it’s a hassle and dealing with taxes and the government and all the garbage you have to deal with, it doesn’t matter. It’s my mission. It’s everything to me. Sometimes I don’t even leave this office—other than to maybe take a walk—I stay here in this office for 3 or 4 days straight.
I came and visited your office in San Diego one time. But you weren’t there at that time.
That was our old office. Now we’re in a different spot in an all eco building. It’s all Green. It’s awesome. We’re right next to the San Diego River. It’s that mystical piece of the puzzle. I need that every day and the only way I can get it is through a connection to nature. I’m right next to the river and there’s no people around at night. I can be with the still air. What’s good about living in a business building is at night there’s nobody around. It’s a magical world. Sometimes I’ll stay up until 3 or 4 in the morning; and sometimes I’ll go to sleep and get up at 3 in the morning and just be in that zone between 3 and 5 in the morning. That magical time.
And another thing is water. Where do you get your water? Spring water. Going actually to the source where the water comes out of the ground in the mountains. Drink that water. That is as good of a drug as anything on earth. You drink that and you feel invincible. It’s a feeling you can’t even describe. People think that water in a plastic bottle is the same as spring water in the mountains. It couldn’t be more different. What do people want in life? They want to have fun, they want to enjoy their life, they don’t want to be sick. Raw food gives you all of that.
I used to have trouble sleeping. But after I started eating raw food I can just put my head down and I’m gone. And I don’t need a lot of sleep. When I’m in Sri Lanka I can go to sleep at 1 or 2 and wake up at 5 with the temple bells and birds calling, and I feel great.
Isn’t that incredible? You don’t need 8 hours of sleep. The 8 hours thing is all caused by a cooked food diet.
I was so surprised when I learned from you that the main cause of pollution in all big cities is the cooking fires. I don’t think anybody realizes that.
I have talked to the producers and directors of some of the biggest environmental films out there, like “The Eleventh Hour”. There was a showing of it and I went up to him and said, “We can never get to the bottom of our environmental problems and solve them unless we stop cooking.” It’s interesting because the entire presentation was about all the judgments they get from business owners about how they’re too radical as environmentalist. But as soon as I said that to them then they suddenly took that same attitude toward me. They thought it was too radical to talk about stopping cooking.
They’re supposed to be so radical, but when you approached them with the real problem you became too radical. Exactly. I said, the number one way that we have affected the atmosphere since the discovery of fire is with cooking fires. If you count all the cooking fires all over the whole planet since the beginning of fire that’s been the biggest thing we’ve done to damage the atmosphere by far. Even today, in Los Angeles for example 42% of the soot over Los Angeles is not caused by cars—it’s caused by cooking fires. Restaurants, grills, fast food joints and home ovens.
Do you come into that kind of antagonism often?
Less and less. I do come across that occasionally. Do you know who Tikh Nat Han is? He’s a Vietnamese Buddhist monk. He says in order to save the environment we need to save the environmentalists. People who are radical really aren’t radical. They’re angry or they’re just out of balance. What we do is get the right food into those people and they come back into balance. Then they realize where they really should be putting their energy.
One thing I’ve noticed is that because of all the toxins and hormones pumped into the farm animals now, people are eating less meat and milk and eggs than they used to. It’s backfiring.
It is. People are becoming more aware that the food is contaminated. What’s gonna happen is one day I’ll be on “Larry King Live” or “Oprah” or something and I’m just gonna lay it out: everybody knows that the food is contaminated, everybody knows that junk food is terrible for you. Here’s what people don’t know. They don’t know what to do. We’ll say, here’s what you need to do: eat raw organic food. Once people here that, the logic of it. You don’t consider it as a diet. It’s not a diet. It’s not a sacrifice. It’s a blast. When you talk about raw food most people think you’re just eating celery and carrots all day, suffering and having a bad time. I’m having a great time eating this great raw food and there’s more variety in what I eat now than ever before.
I know. The fun is insane. It’s like a party every day. You feel totally satisfied. You eat all you want and you know what’s balanced. You come into tune with yourself. Raw food works because it’s fun. You can’t do anything on willpower. You can’t be a raw foodist on willpower. It has to feel good. It has to be right. You have to like the taste of stuff. That’s why it’s so easy. You get into it and you’re like, this is the best food ever. This is all I want to eat.
After the “Nature’s First Law” book all of your books have been popular: “The Sunfood Success Diet”,
“Eating For Beauty”, and “Naked Chocolate. Do you have a new book coming out soon?
I have a new book out. It just came out a few weeks ago. It’s called “Amazing Grace”. I’d love to send you a copy. You’re gonna love this.
I’m glad to have your voice in Murder Dog. We got a lot of good response off the other articles we ran from Nature’s First Law. Rappers call me all the time, saying how they became vegetarian or started eating more raw food after we printed the raw food article.
Black Dog, you’re doing good work in the world. Murder Dog should keep this going. Those kids out there don’t see hope. They’ve got to know that there’s something out there that can reconnect them back to the earth. No matter how much crap you’ve been fed or how trapped you feel in the city, we can all reconnect right back into that mystical reality that’s out there waiting for us.
Do you feel there will be a world one day where humans will be foraging and living naturally like how our ancestors used to live? Do you see that in the future?
It’s inevitable. If you look at the problems in civilization, they’re so massive that they’re unsolvable. What will eventually happen—I don’t know if it’ll be 50 years, 100 years, 1 year, whatever—this civilization will collapse. All we can do is continue to spread the knowledge so that in that moment when things fall apart some people will know how to survive. Not only survive but thrive, have a good time. I foresee a time when there will be change and it will be for the better. We’ll go back to living like tribal people. Unfortunately we dumped a bunch of trash on the planet, but eventually the earth will clean itself out and life will go on.
Certain people spend all of their energy worrying about the future of human life on earth. But the earth will go on with or without humans, life will continue. We are such a microscopic part. We don’t have to be burdened by these thoughts.
The earth is essentially an immortal. Humans will not be able to kill the earth. And it’s likely that we will come back here when this place is a paradise because for whatever reason we incarnated into this time. It’s a very very interesting time in the history of the world. If we continue to do our work in this time, maybe we’ll be able to come back here to enjoy this place when it has returned to a paradise again.
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